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Jameson
07-17-2005, 10:43 PM
Ok, someone was going to start it sometime, so I might as well.

The Death Penalty. The worst and final sentence of our court system. Our courts hold peoples' lives in the hands' of their peers. Is the death penalty just? Yes. Justice traditionally follows the "eye for an eye" concept. Although that word could mean different things to different people. But an even bigger question...Is it right? Is it morally right to take someone's life when they have taken another's? I would say no.

What do you think and why?

Rogue Physicist
07-18-2005, 03:50 PM
The Death Penalty carries an intractable practical problem: not convicting the innocent. Over and over again in both the USA and Canada people have been wrongfully suspected, arrested, convicted, and forced to serve long sentences, effectively ruining their lives, because the authorities were lazy, careless, motivated by self-interest, racism, convenience or political hidden agendas.

At least in the case of 'life sentences', at least later when forensic methods improve, politics change, or cultural bigotry and pseudo-science metamorphisize, some wrongfully convicted victims (if they have money, family, friends, or fit into a 3rd party political agenda) can have a small part of their ruined lives salvaged.

To accept wrongful executions as the 'cost of doing business' is an obscene stain and a mockery of the whole concept of justice. While incarceration is no picnic and involves frightening risks, and is indeed a form of 'torture' and hence reprehensible, it at least offers innocent victims of 'error' another chance for some kind of life in this world.

So until courts operate in a manner that truly maximizes the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty', especially in the most severe and extreme case of murder accusations, the death penalty should be banned, or reserved as an 'ideal' in unusual cases where doubt is all but eliminated scientifically.

Mr. Robin Parsons
08-29-2005, 06:00 PM
© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMV

Well, I would be looking to the Spiritual side of things, hence we would need understand those effects, those effects being that there are persons occupied by what is/are known as Evil Spirits (STOP laughing) such as one of the persons who had been "featured" (for lack of a better word) in the local Newspaper as a 'recently released pedophile' one who's crimnal activites were described, rather vividly, who, in the only real manner that we can understand that which is invisible to us, has something within him that drives him to criminal actions that are un-thinkable to the rest of us.

Thusly we might indulge in the notion that this person is possessed by a Spirit that takes opportunity, with the (very Human) Soul that is there(in), to act out their visciousness upon what that Spirit sees as Target....when this man is questioned as to why he has done what he did, he isn't all that certain, but his repetative nature tells us that he is being DRIVEN....Key Clue to "seeing" (again, so to speak) that it is motivated by something that seems to be able to overpower the mans normal rational and press upon him the urgency of acting in manners that are extreme, to say the least (I had read a little bit about what he has done, and how he seems to behave otherwise/othertimes) such that WE, society collectively, need to recognize that putting such a person to death Frees that Spirit, and that Now free spirit will surely and certainly occupy another...means that the very same kind of activity is going to erupt in another human being because we liberated that spirit from it's current place of occupation, and Now it is going to be Waaaaaaaaay harder/more difficult to find them again, hence we would be risking even more innocent people by this result.

Killing this man IS NOT the answer, for the reason(s) stated above, helping him to learn how to overcome the Spirit within him, BY KEEPING him alive, that is the ONLY way to spare the innocent that will, otherwise, be the Next victims of the Spirits drive....

What's that? don't believe in Spirits? then please explain to me, (as I am one who has experienced it!) exactly what happens during an alcoholic Blackout, how (better yet, Who?) does the person still function? and why is it that no one else can tell that they have, in actuality, Blacked out?

P.S. spiritual possession IS NOT any excuse/reason/defence against any Criminal activity, or crime, against another....NEVER! as that is exactly why God Gave to YOU Free WILL....so YOU would learn to use it, not lose it!

(as it follows that, allowing such an event {Evil* spiritual 'possessional' rule} to become a history/perpetuate, {as you must agree, in the beginning, less so, as you lose grip within yourself, ergo time dependancy} well, in the end, you will lose your very life, in Front of God!


*As evidenced by actions

Does that sound like it came from "left field" or what...


.....not really, it is more the truth then most of you will ever be able to prove, or even Know.....

Mr. Robin Parsons
01-07-2006, 04:24 PM
© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI

3:16 PM 07/01/2006

So recently in the Death Penalty case someone was shown no ‘leniency’ and, summararily, executed, as per the Verdict of the case.

The person afforded the opportunity to final exit, exit, didn't, hence they did their Job in Upholding the Law, as it is written, and, (I) suppose, a bit of the reversing of the Maxim of Law of 'letting ten guilty men, go free, to spare one innocent man' >becomes> 'Killing one possibly rehabilitated man, as to ensure that ten other Convicted men Do not Escape the "Known consequences" ("The Death Penalty" as Prescribed in/by Law) of their Chosen actions' such that the 'Operator of the Opportunity' did what is Most behooving of the responsibilities of the Office of any Public Servant, and they Upheld what is really the weakest of the parts, the Law itself, 'the Rule' as it has no true material component upon which to stand on it's own, (other then when we write them down on Paper) and therefore Needs, at that particular time, a 'Person' to Give 'Voice' to it, Uphold it as being representative of the Choice of the Peoples who have elected to have such a Law Serve them.

(I) guess it is that Maxim that tells of Not wanting to Risk letting one rehabilitated man Profit from there efforts by allowing them to live, that tells me 'why' (I) would rather incarcerate, pay for that incarceration, (taxes) of 'Anyone' convicted of Such Criminal Behaviors, then have to risk that other choice.

After all, which would you rather face? A lifetime of Incarceration? or a Sudden Death? most would believe the Sudden Death to be Less Painful, and they would be right .....So? How does a Death Penalty serve as any kind of deterrent? if your Caught well, your suffering will be over 'just a little' sooner, if no Death Penalty, well, maybe your suffering is Just beginning, and will be something that you have never>ever>even dreamed Possible!

Then again , you must understand What that word "Justice" really Means/is, then you might realize that 'Punishment' is Not really the Answer, not to it all.

You can tell, that 'last line' (never>ever>even) in the Paragraph above the last one, REEKS of Vengeance, not solution/resolution, ergo Not "Justice" either .....but it is Clearly Bent towards being Punitive, Sometimes Justice Needs of that, so, Best when said with Meaning to the Words of Verdict/Time.