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socratus
02-20-2006, 02:19 PM
The tree is covered with a lot of leaves.
The leaves rustle, speak, argue among themselves.
But shouldn't they know that the roots feed them?
Physicists behave as leaves.
They rustle, speak, argue among themselves.
But they forget the roots of science, namely that we build the base
of a science on abstract ideas.
The base of the classical mechanics is constructed on abstract
Separate absolute space and abstract separate absolute time of Newton.
The base of thermodynamics is constructed on the abstract
ideal gas theory.
The base of the theory of radiation is constructed on
the abstract black body theory.
The base of SRT is constructed on the abstract theory
of four-dimensional space theory.
On this abstract base, physicists build a concrete building of
science and are surprised when they discover paradoxes in it.
But in nature there are no paradoxes observed.
Something is not in order with logical thinking.
It is necessary to stop, look back and
to reconsider the abstract base of science.
But everyone is in a hurry to try to understand reality,
and they create new abstraction. It is a way to “mad infinity”.
Therefore we live in the world of abstraction, of paradoxes,
in the Orwell,s world.
How to break off this circuit of abstraction?
How we can understand Existence logically?
Epsilon=One
02-21-2006, 03:42 PM
…in nature there are no paradoxes observed.I agree. It is the mind that creates paradoxes.
Something is not in order with logical thinking.Where there is a paradox, there is no logic.
How we can understand Existence logically?Before you cast, you must first untangle the fishing line. So it is with truth.
You cannot begin with complex concepts and postulates. Seek simplicity. Nature defines everything which includes the mathematics that symbolizes all that is rational. The rationale of every system of Reality (that which exists) begins with defining “One” for that system.
socratus
02-24-2006, 12:47 PM
"Once I dreamed I was a butterfly,
and now I no longer know whether
I am Chuang-tzu, who dreamed I was
a butterfly, or whether I am a butterfly
dreaming that I am Chuang-tzu."
socratus
02-24-2006, 01:00 PM
1.
There are : a independent space and independent time.
This we notice on our planet - Earth.
2.
There is union of space and time simultaneously.
Herman Minkowski :
“ Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself,
are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.”
Question.
What is the “a kind of union of the two “?
The answer.
It is Vacuum. T=0K.
socratus
02-24-2006, 01:11 PM
Physics do not dictate the laws to the nature.
Laws of nature are a reality, which exists independently from the researcher, and the person only perceives them. The nature develops from simple to difficult; the evolution of the world goes from the lowest condition to the highest one. Therefore, initial conditions of the origin of Genesis cannot be complex. They should be elementary and simple, as a multiplication table: 2´2=4, 2´3=6 etc. Such simple laws of nature can and should be realized by each person from a school bench.
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Epsilon=One
02-24-2006, 04:16 PM
Physics do not dictate the laws to the nature. ...which exists independently from the researcher, and the person only perceives them. The nature develops from simple to difficult; the evolution of the world goes from the lowest condition to the highest one. Therefore, initial conditions...cannot be complex. They should be elementary and simple... ...simple laws of nature can and should be realized by each person from a school bench.I quite agree with most of your statement; except for one thought that is not complete: "...the world goes from the lowest condition to the highest one." Such a "one-way" process can not account for the origin of that which you say "cannot be complex."
Many of your concepts do not follow the wisdom of this post as you continually give advanced properties (consciousness, priviledge, particles, design, etc.) to fundamental concepts (light quantum, vacuum, etc.).
chrisforbes
11-13-2008, 01:08 AM
Jump at the first idea you see
This is philosophy
We seen it written one way
So everyone believes in what you say
And I was just a fool to believe
In retrospect we were all niaive
You talk about physics
Well I will give you some lyrics
Phythagoris and Copernicus
They had the vision they had the lust
For truth and reality
But even a wise man can see
Maths is important
But the universe is about philosophy
Now you can talk to me about science
It has its appliance
But when everyhting is one
How can you solve it when the deal is done
socratus
11-22-2008, 04:40 AM
About " The third Newton's law ".
One no imagine story about " The third Newton's law ".
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" The action is equal to counteraction." was the great scientific discover.
In a wood it was spoken only about it.
Every animal suddenly became brave and run to the king Lion
Every animal cried to him: "strike me." And as the animals begged
as the king began to beat. Many animals were wounded.
"It is not under the law", the animals were indignant,
"Under the law the king must also be wound "
But Lion beat and he spits on their law.
All animals scientists worried and began to search why the law doesn’t work.
And when one old scientist Badger has found the answer.
He said:
" The law of action is equal to counteraction is true only in static situations .
But there, where the physical force works, the law is inactive ".
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I am sure, you can now apply this Badger’s concept to many physics areas.
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To every action there is NOT an equal and opposite reaction.
Why?
Because in QT " The third Newton's law " must submit to
“ The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ”.
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