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socratus
02-18-2006, 02:58 PM
“ Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself,
are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.”
/ Herman Minkowski. /
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Question.
What is the “a kind of union of the two “?
The answer.
It is Vacuum. T=0K.

odysseus
03-31-2006, 06:39 PM
i thought SPACE/TIME was a union....you cannot have 1 without the other........

Cerveny
08-18-2006, 06:37 PM
“ Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself,
are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.”
/ Herman Minkowski. /
* * *
Question.
What is the “a kind of union of the two “?
The answer.
It is Vacuum. T=0K.

a growing vacuum ;-)

Epsilon=One
08-18-2006, 09:34 PM
a growing vacuum...Nothing is explained by "a growing vacuum."

Everything that exists can be considered as "a growing vacuum" if you define "vacuum" as where there is no existence; and, "growing" as pure motion.

Space and time are two entirely different concepts; to begin: space has orthogonal concepts; time is merely counting. Fundamental, intrinsic time (FIT) is most closely associated with space; however no theoretical physicist seems to understand the mechanism of its "clock."

Clouds and sky would be a union according to odysseus' comment; but, they are quite different concepts.

The fact that space and time are closely related does not make them similar in any way other than that they are fundamental dimensions used to describe a state and location.

How can anyone speak knowingly of dimensions, when none of them are defined by the Standard Models other than in terms of one another?

Before discussing the relationship of dimensions to other dimensionsr, one must be able to define them separately; as, to how they first evolved from seminal motion (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/SM) where there are no differentiated dimensions.

Cerveny
08-19-2006, 06:01 PM
...space has orthogonal concepts; time is merely counting...

Sorry, but there are next possibility too: for example a common space is four-dimensional and we, our three-dimensional space, is somehow moved, thrown, risen into fourth (time) dimension. Another possibility is that our three-dimensional space is reconfigured, phased as some cellular automat... Please do not angry, of course it is a speculation for an inspiration only :-)

Epsilon=One
08-19-2006, 06:37 PM
Sorry, but there are next possibility too: for example a common space is four-dimensional and we, our three-dimensional space, is somehow moved, thrown, risen into fourth (time) dimension. Another possibility is that our three-dimensional space is reconfigured, phased as some cellular automat... Please do not angry, of course it is a speculation for an inspiration only :-)I'm not angry. I'm laughing. Such establishment gobbledygook; think simplicity (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=114).

Cerveny
08-20-2006, 08:23 AM
I'm not angry. I'm laughing. Such establishment gobbledygook; think simplicity (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=114).

I am glad it is OK . BTW do you mean the "time" is orthogonal to the space or the "time" somehow deepens on the space?

Epsilon=One
08-20-2006, 07:29 PM
...do you mean the "time" is orthogonal to the space or the "time" somehow deepens on the space?Space is orthogonal not time. Both are derived from very fundamental physical manifestations that occur with the creation of the most fundamental "field"/quantum.

Time depends on nothing more than multiples of a common denominator such as the Conceptual Unit (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/CU). Time is counting the interruptions of a "clock"; though such counting can be much subtler than the anthropoidal concept of One, Two, Three... Everything that evolves beyond, or after, seminal motion (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/SM) has a method for counting.

Time, as a concept of counting, is not difficult to understand. Fundamental, intrinsic time (FIT) is a bit more difficult to understand; as, it relates to the timing of subatomic phenomena. Yet, the real problem with understanding FIT is not the counting part; it is understanding the mechanism and creation of the "clock" that creates the "ticks."

There are water clocks, sand clocks, pendulum clocks, spring clocks, electric clocks, quartz crystal vibration clocks, light frequency clocks, Earth spin clocks, Earth orbit clocks, etc., etc. And, of course, the internal geometry of the Pulsoid (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/Pulsoids) creates a clock.

I hope this helps in separating the concepts of "space"-"time" from one another. If not, keep asking questions . . . the concepts are important.

Cerveny
08-21-2006, 03:25 PM
Space is orthogonal not time. Both are derived from very fundamental physical manifestations that occur with the creation of the most fundamental "field"/quantum.

Time depends on nothing more than multiples of a common denominator such as the Conceptual Unit (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/CU).

Your CU is not incomprehensible for me. I am working with a similar category - Planck cell. It is the area where causality ends working. Your “clock tick” I feel as a next layer of your CU/my PC glued to the history. Every “measuring” acts an energy/”a tension” mediation. A corresponding collapse of wave function expresses a settlement a measured system to the history... (I thing you do know my opinion). Of courese I am going to study your ideas deeper...

Epsilon=One
08-21-2006, 03:49 PM
Your CU is not incomprehensible for me.Great! Few seem to comprehend.

I am working with a similar category - Planck cell.Yes. The analogy is good. I don't use Planck constants because there is no explanation of "Why?" they are as they are.

It is the area where causality ends working.I consider that area as a singularity; of which there is only one.

Your “clock tick” I feel as a next layer of your CU/my PC glued to the history.The "clock tick" is the pulse of the Pulsoid (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/Pulsoids), which ticks occur when energy transfers back and forth between a quantum and its internal resonance. The resonance is an effect of the harmony created when oscillations are proportional to the Conceptual Unit (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/CU).

Every “measuring” acts an energy/”a tension” mediation. A corresponding collapse of wave function expresses a settlement a measured system to the history...I agree.

Of courese I am going to study your ideas deeper...Thanks. Ask questions when I'm confusing.