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amrit
02-03-2006, 08:16 PM
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“If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.” Albert Einstein

Watching The Mind Is An Individual Research Method
Human beings have a capacity to watch and become aware the way mind functions – watching as an individual method into the “mind research”. It makes us aware the way our mind functions.
A phenomena can be approached scientifically if it is repeatable and measurable. Watching the mind enters into this category. Everyone can watch his/her mind whenever he likes. By watching the mind the brain will start emitting alpha rays and that can be measured by electroencephalogram (ECG).

Watching the mind as an individual research is a function of consciousness itself. Mind is creating the thoughts, consciousness is watching them and becoming aware of how much they create our life.

Let's do a simple experiment. You observe for a few moments a plant in your room or one that is outside the window, and then close your eyes. Inside yourself you observe many thoughts, like how big the plant is, what colour it is, and so on. The mind's elaboration creates a gap between perception and experience. By watching (witnessing) the way mind elaborates perception you become aware of how mind influences the experience of the plant. With this awareness your common experience of the plant can be enriched by the direct experience of the plant. Having direct experience you experience the plant exactly as your senses perceive it. This direct experience we can also call “conscious experience” (1,2,3).

Common Experience
World - perception - mind elaboration - experience

Conscious Experience
World - perception - conscious experience

We can compare the human mind with an optical prism which bends the horizontal ray of light (see the picture below). We can compare a horizontal ray of light with the information that reach into our senses. This "horizontal information" is authentic information of reality. It is first elaborated by the mind and after experience occurs.

Elaboration of the mind creates an "elaboration gap" between authentic and experienced information. By passing the "mind prism" the "horizontal information " changes direction. We do not experience the information as it has entered into senses.

Consciousness has the capacity to watch and to become aware the way mind elaborates information. It brings awareness that also "scientific picture of the world" and the world itself are two different things. Scientific picture of the world is rational, a scientist experiences the world through his/her rational mind, conscious experience of the world is deeper than rational, one experience the world as it is without adding his/her questions and searching for the answers. Werner Heisenberg commented that beautifully: “What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning”.
In meditation we experience reality directly. Meditative experience is real, it is closer to the reality as a scientific experience.

What is Consciousness
Research of Penrose and Hameroff considers consciousness as a result of the quantum gravity acting on the mass of neurons inside of the brain. Consciousness is not only a result of the biochemical processes of the brain, it is deeply related to the cosmic space (4,5).

According to the research of our group, consciousness is subjective phenomena. It can not be approached as an object.
“Observer” is a consistent part of a scientific experiment. As observer observes the experiment, he/she can also observe the mental process that describes the experiment. It is the same observer that is observing material world and the mind. The observer has also a possibility to observe himself. Having eyes closed and watching the mind observer becomes aware that he is not the mind, he is the space in which mind exists; observer discover its source that is consciousness itself. It is a consciousness that is observing the experiment through the person mind.

An observer that does not search inside is aware of the outside world only and unaware of the inner world. With turning his attention inside observer becomes aware that he is not the mind, but consciousness itself; discovering consciousness man become self-conscious, aware that his mind belongs to the education and society and his consciousness belongs the universe. He discovers his/her cosmic identity that is much deeper than his/her social identity. He/she enters into a deep intimacy with the entire universe. Going deeper into this "Oneness" with the universe one discovers the state of being that in the East is called “enlightenment“.

The Concept of A-Temporal Physical Space In Physics And The Concept of Sunyata in Buddhism
By watching the way the mind works into the process of scientific research a scientist will become aware that his mind creates the picture of the universe also. He will be able to distinguish between the models of the world created by the mind and the world itself. This distinction bring new insights into understanding of time, space and gravitation.

Physical time we experience as a irreversible stream of material change in the physical space. Time is material change, it is not that change run into time, change itself are time. In physical space time runs only as a material change, physical space itself is a-temporal. With clocks we measure the duration of material change.

Physical time is irreversible, change that has happened does not exist any more. Physical past does not exist. In today science we experience irreversible physical time through the concept of linear time that exist only as a model of the mind. We do not live in time, we live in the A-Temporal physical space (ATPS). The grandmother, the daughter and the grandchildren are all born in the same A-Temporal physical space. Grandmother is remembering the birth of the daughter and of the grandchild as something in the past. This remembrance exist as a psychological past that is reversible. One can go back into memory.

Physical space in which exist material objects is a-temporal. Consciousness as a basic frequency physical space is a-temporal too. Gravitational force is carried by the density of ATPS and is also a-temporal. Physical space is a direct information channel. Information between two particles in Einstein-Podolski-Rosen experiment is immediate, transported directly by the A-Temporal physical space. These “a-temporal phenomena” exist without that a particle or wave is moving through the ATPS.
Light is a temporal phenomena. The photon moves through the ATPS with the speed of light. Movements of stellar objects are temporal phenomena, evolution life is a temporal phenomena also (6,7,8).

Physical Time And Psychological Time
Physical time is irreversible, one can not return into physical past because it does not exist. Psychological time, known as “inner time” is reversible, one can go back into his memory. Physical time means movement of material objects in ATPS, psychological time means movement of the thoughts in ATPS.

According to Buccheri and Saniga in meditation and in alternate state of consciousness there is difference between the speed of the outer time and the speed of the inner time; in meditation inner time stops and outer time still runs (9).

According to our understanding interpretation of Saniga and Buccheri needs some preciseness. In meditation one discovers ATPS, he experiences physical time exactly as it runs in the universe: as a stream of irreversible change. The discovery of ATPS gives the sensation that time has stopped, that all runs into “eternal here and now”. This “timeless” experience is reflecting the real nature of physical time: an irreversible process that runs into a-temporal cosmic space. It is right what say Saniga and Buccheri regarding the fact that in meditation inner time stops: one reaches beyond the linear concept of time. But when they say that outer time still run, it is important to understand that outer time run in a-temporal space. In a way time is running and not reaching anywhere. It is always running “here and now” in a-temporal space.

Outer Space And Inner Space
In a deep meditation we discover sunyata first inside of us as a infinite pool of a silent loving energy. Practicing meditation regularly one day we recognize that there is no difference between “inner space” and “outer space”. Sunyata exists inside and outside of us. Allan Wallace says: The distinction between external and internal is an illusion; internal and external space are ultimately non-dual. This is the absolute space of phenomena. In Buddhist literature, this is the Great perfection out of which the entire universe originates (10,11, 12).

By discovering sunyata you will transform your fear of death into compassion and deep understanding of life. We are born, we live and we die in the same “sunyata” you can call it “universal soul”, “ether” “God”. Name is not important, we have to discover it directly. Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed, Krishna, Osho and others has all discovered the same God. They only call it with different names.


A-Temporal Physical Space (Sunyata) Is The Origin of the Universe, of Life And of Consciousness
Research of our team considers universe is a self-renewing system. Matter and space are in a permanent dynamic equilibrium without a beginning and without an end. Matter is continuously transforming into ATPS – sunyata in black holes. In a huge explosions in the centre of galaxies space is transforming back fresh matter into the centres of the galaxies (13).

Evolution of life, of the human civilization is an integral part of cosmic dynamics that develops towards discovery of cosmic consciousness. Consciousness is a basic frequency of quanta of space that build up cosmic space and is a driving force of the evolution of life and of conscious species. All over the universe matter has a tendency to develop into life and further on into conscious species (14).

Universe is a conscious and intelligent phenomena. Man is the result of cosmic dynamics, is the creation of the universe itself. As he do not understand that, man has invented the God which should create the universe and man itself. But opposite is truth; universe has created the man and the man has created the God.

Man’s growth beyond the mind towards cosmic consciousness is required by the evolution itself, we have no choice. Hankering on the mind creates a danger of self-destruction. To come out of the chaos we living into we have to grow beyond the mind into cosmic consciousness. History and current situation in the world show that human mind has no capacity to bring peace and harmony. Consciousness has it. Tibet before the Chinese occupation was a living example of a conscious society.

By discovering cosmic consciousness inside of you your mind can only create things that support life and growth of the human being. Consciousness is a natural protection against destruction.

We have to distinguish between “cosmic consciousness” and “human consciousness”. Cosmic consciousness is a basic frequency of cosmic space, human consciousness is the result of the “synchronization” of the neurons of the brain with cosmic consciousness. The better synchronization, more conscious will be the person. When a person is totally “lost” into the mind his “conscience” is lost, his contact with cosmic consciousness is lost. He somehow becomes “potential mad”. He can be easily manipulated by the danger ideas of nationalism, racism, religious extremism. He has lost his “universal identity”, his “soul”, his “real nature”.

Conscious Communication
Mind belongs to the brain, consciousness belongs to the cosmic space. There is the same consciousness watching the mind of a person in America and person in Europe. Consciousness as a direct information channel opens a possibility for a “Conscious Communication”. Two or more persons belonging to different cultures and religions can communicate direct without mind interfering.

A man’s communication has two directions: outer (communication with others) and inner (communication with him/her self). The quality of outer communication depends on the quality of inner communication. Clearer is communication with ourselves, clearer is communication with others.

One can communicate with him/her self and with others by the mind and by the consciousness. By the “mind communication” the information that we receive from the other person is first perceived by the senses, later on elaborated by the mind and finally experience occurs. Experience through the mind is indirect. Between elaboration and experience there is an information gap caused by the elaboration of the mind. Mind communication between person A and person B is indirect.

As we say before consciousness has a capacity to watch and to become aware the way mind elaborates the information of the world that enter into senses. "Conscious communication" is direct, synthetic and free of emotions. One experiences other person directly without elaboration of the mind. Between person A and person B there is no information gap.


By knowing only mind communication it is difficult to find solutions in the conflict situations. There is no a “ground” communication that could help to experience a given situation similarly. Person A and Person B are far away from each other.

Conscious communication between person A and person B is a “ground” communication”. Person A and B understand each other without speaking. They communicate on the level that is beyond the mind. With development of conscious communication it is easy to find solution on the level of mental communication in different areas of human life: in the family, in business, in politics. Person A and Person B becomes both aware of their “mind diversity”. They recognize mind communication as secondary and conscious communication as primary. It is easy to find solutions on the “mental level”.

Meditation – The Only Way To Peace

In meditation you can go back through the whole evolution of life that exists as a memory in a collective unconscious mind. It is there you will discover your animalistic aggression and fear of being attached. On the planet man is still behaving as an animal in the jungle. We are acting out our unconscious mind. Meditation is the only way to go beyond the past, to find a spirit of harmony with the nature and with the other human being (15).

The chaos we are living into on this planet today is the result of unconscious projecting of our thoughts into life. All that exist was first imagined by the mind and then realised into our life. We experience our life through the mind and we are not aware of how much our unconscious mind influences our experience and creates our life situation.

Human mind that is full of prejudices, religious extremism, nationalism and racism creates a big “information gap”. There is no communication possible between different cultures and religions. By accepting meditation as an individual research science will have an useful instrument for overcoming religious and cultural conditioning that are dividing today human civilization. We need a scientific education on the planetary level that will include meditation as its consistent part. Such an education will grow individuals free of any religious and cultural extremism, routed into sunyata, that is man’s cosmic identity, its “real face”. Meditation brings inner transformation that is the only way to peace and harmony.

Lama Geshe Gedun Tharchin says on that subject: “Ultimately, establishing peace and security on our planet relies on an inner transformation within the lives of individuals. As the UNESCO constitution states, “Since wars begin in the minds of men, it is in the minds of men that the defences of peace must be constructed.’’ A sense of responsibility, to seek to develop our potential for creating positive action in the society is the personal enrichment and beginning of the broader transformation of the planet “ (16).


Meditation Is A Source Of Creativity In Science And Art
Albert Einstein says: “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.”

Into meditation we reach into the mystical dimension of the universe, into its “real nature” that is also the real nature of the human being. We become one with the whole universe. This “Oneness” is the source of creativity in science and art.


Sources:

1. Osho. (1989). Meditation: The First And Last Freedom, Neo Sannyas International

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4. Penrose R. (1994). 'Shadows of the Mind' (Oxford), 377-391.

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Epsilon=One
02-11-2006, 08:37 PM
What is Consciousness
Research of Penrose and Hameroff considers consciousness as a result of the quantum gravity acting on the mass of neurons inside of the brain. Consciousness is not only a result of the biochemical processes of the brain, it is deeply related to the cosmic space...This is ridiculous and specious beyond belief!!!

What does this mean: "quantum gravity acting on the mass of neurons inside of the brain." What in the world is "quantum gravity" . . . "cosmic space"? I assume that neurons are "mass." Academia does not know what gravity is let alone what "quantum gravity" is. I know of nothing in neurobilogy that qualifies Penrose and Hameroff for more than a philosophic discourse on Consciousness Theory. These guys would be hard pressed to explain the duality of gravity and light such that it reconciled with observation.

Are you aware as to how you are contorting Buddhism, a philosophy that I greatly admire with secular nonsense?

What in your studies gives you the right to interpret for others the meaning of Buddism.

Many of your ideas seem to subvert the very philosophy that you profess to understand.

This entire post I find offensive. Consciousness is simply complex, analog, self-adjustment within the neural system at a speed that is transparent to the "self." Buddism is a fine philosophy that teaches many truths that are important to the happiness of many. Do not obfuscate with speciousness what you do not understand.

See: CASA (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=149)

amrit
02-11-2006, 09:15 PM
idea is not mine, it is of Penrose.

I do not know what consciousness is, but i know how to use it
Consciousness is watching (witnessing) the mind and this help us to distinguish between scientific models of the universe and universe itself.

Epsilon=One
02-11-2006, 09:47 PM
idea is not mine, it is of Penrose.I should not have been so emotional. In the societies of today there is so little comity that I become upset when anyone comes between one of the remaining great philosophies of Nature and its believers to push a personal agenda.

I have disagreed for many decades with much of what Penrose (and J.A. Wheeler) have espoused. See: About Reality (A Rebuke to Penrose) (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=235).

I do not know what consciousness is, but i know how to use it
Consciousness is watching (witnessing) the mind and this help us to distinguish between scientific models of the universe and universe itself.Fair enough. I consider Consciousness as that which makes a living organism aware of itself as different from another living organism. Some might call it "self." The feedback of the senses is so rapid that the senses are aware of themselves.

amrit
02-12-2006, 07:19 AM
Hi Epsilon

Yes, yes, yes.

Mathematics Is The Mirror of The Truth.

yours amrit

Epsilon=One
02-12-2006, 06:54 PM
Yes, yes, yes.

Mathematics Is The Mirror of The Truth.You are so correct!!!

The elegance of mathematical proof far surpasses that of any standard model of theoretical physics.

The theoretical physicist would be well served to understand pure arthmetic and philosophy before being concerned with observation that is more the province of the engineer and scientific researchers.

An understanding of Infinity, (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=109) the Proof of One (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=165) and the Elliptical Constant (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=107) are more important than the largest of the colliders for coaxing truth from observation.

amrit
02-13-2006, 09:55 AM
Epsiolon=One The theoretical physicist would be well served to understand pure arthmetic and philosophy before being concerned with observation that is more the province of the engineer and scientific researchers.

Amrit: Only with introducing of watching (witnessing) the mind as an individual research method into theoretical physics here progress is possible.

Epsilon=One
02-15-2006, 04:25 PM
Only with introducing of watching (witnessing) the mind as an individual research method into theoretical physics here progress is possible.This sounds, to me, somewhat like reliance on the spiritual, which seems more the problem to scientific advance than the solution.

chrisforbes
11-22-2008, 01:32 AM
I agree with your philosophy, let's arrange a meeting