bridging physics and "metaphyics"?

[chrish]

Do you all feel there will ever come a day when physics and "meta"physics will be able to come together politely? Positively? Do you think there can ever be truly "proper" experiments created that will show subtle energy to be a factual item? I don't have a physics degree - but I would truly like to be able to combine what I know of subtle energy work with the "real deal" science world as we know it right now.

In fact I would be willing my time and efort into this - I will a study with any physicists who would like to combine efforts. Maybe someday we can explain how I can do work for someone half a world away - never touching them physcially at all - and yet affect them in ways that are helpful. If this is all mind over matter, then I think it's worth a shot at finding that out....

[TaiLs]

I love this concept!!! It irritates me soooooo much that people cannot see the intertwining nature of physics and philosophy. They ARE one! There is no day when they will come together experimently. They already do!!!!!!

No quantum mechanic can disregard Descartes. And no metaphysical philosopher can ignore the Heisenberg principle.

Higher studies of theoretical physics or quantum physics opens up a HUGE can of worms that deals with metaphysical concepts and problems.

I'm intrigued by this "subtle energy" you speak of. Please elaborate!!!

[Nomy-the wanderer]

Do you all feel there will ever come a day when physics and "meta"physics will be able to come together politely? Positively?

I believe that this can be only natural...In a matter of fact, sciences were all referred to philosophy, like for example physics was natural philosophy and ..etc

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

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That is the Fundamental Problem that Metaphysics is NOT provable on/at any level, yet Physics IS....therefore, getting anyone who Follows only "Provable things" to accept the Un-provable as true.....


Well Will We Await the Wedding? :rolleyes:

"....Are you with the Bride/Metaphysics or the Groom/Physics?" :rolleyes:
:D :p :D

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

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Wasn't the Bride lovely, but the Groom seemed just a Little bit to old, and arrogant....but, none-the-less, let's all hope that the Honeymoon works out for the best....wonder what the children are gonna' look like?

(Don't tell me you missed it, didn't get your invitation on time, or you were busy weren't you.....I'd say "Next time" but you are not likely to see a repetition of that event, ever again....YEEeeeeeOOOOoooooow it almost hurt to watch it.

Have FUN!

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

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Look Here (http://physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=239&page=3) Post Number 23

It is Simple, the Universe is, after all, One great Big Universal Harmonic TRUTH, and NOT a 'thing' more, or less, (as that is all the "matter/material/mass") and there exists' NO LIE(s) within it's Structure....Other then in the Mind of a Homonid/Anthropoid/Human....and that is Metaphysical......defines it actually.

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMV

So the Very Idea of a Lie would be something that Physics Would have a Difficulty to Prove, A Great Difficulty as is is a Linguistic natured event hence following a code resultant from a Complete En-corporealized Output Harmonic Sensation that is adaptive and Evolutionary, in content and context, from/to time, to get something like a computer to tell the difference between an input of a Lie, and an input of truth, is exactly why AI cannot succeed any farther then us 'Chasing our own tails' (so to speak) as It's Very nature is MetaPhysical, and the Volition/ability to Select it as/for 'Usage' demonstrates (the Degree to which?) That Free Will IS A TRUTH!

Hence the metaphysical Nature is Intrinsically Tied to the Human (linguistic) Experience, Especially Renowned As Per the Example of the Species, that Erupted In the 'later Times' Known to Have Been In possession of Moral Conscience, The Very First of the Metaphysically Connected, Self Directed, Morally Charged, Beings.

Howdy!

("Where deed Eeevery-bud'y Go?" {...Whom Am I Quoting?})

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

More *Here* (http://physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?p=1018#post1018) if you wanna look ......"Maaaaaay'be"

[Epsilon=One]

Do you all feel there will ever come a day when physics and "meta"physics will be able to come together politely? Positively?Yes. And hopefully, within the foreseeable future.

Do you think there can ever be truly "proper" experiments created that will show subtle energy to be a factual item?Yes. I refer to this energy as seminal motion (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=179). It is somewhat analogous to what physicists sometimes refer to as “dark” energy (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=154).

I don't have a physics degreeA physics degree should never be a requirement to be able to understand the phenomena of Reality such that religious and secular faith cannot subvert maximal happiness.

- but I would truly like to be able to combine what I know of subtle energy work with the "real deal" science world as we know it right now.laudable.

In fact I would be willing my time and efort into this - I will a study with any physicists who would like to combine efforts.

Maybe someday we can explain how I can do work for someone half a world away - never touching them physcially at all - and yet affect them in ways that are helpful.Study Pulsoid Theory (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=128) that is the mathematical and physical interpretation of Conceptualism (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=156). Ask lots of questions until you understand the simplicity of the concepts or know that you should seek answers elsewhere.

If this is all mind over matter, then I think it's worth a shot at finding that out....More persons should share your wisdom.

I love this concept!!! It irritates me soooooo much that people cannot see the intertwining nature of physics and philosophy. They ARE one! There is no day when they will come together experimently. They already do!!!!!!You are absolutely correct. Such Oneness is the premise of Pulsoid Theory (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=291) and Conceptualism (My Creed (http://physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=90)).

No quantum mechanic can disregard Descartes. And no metaphysical philosopher can ignore the Heisenberg principle.Concepts and theories are classical because they contain kernels of truth that are consistently presented. However, the trick is to discern which kernel is truth and what is chaff. Observation, philosophical logic, and pure mathematics are important sieves.

Higher studies of theoretical physics or quantum physics opens up a HUGE can of worms that deals with metaphysical concepts and problems.Current theoretical physics is entirely based upon metaphysics (http://physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=87) that is sustained by the post modern elite practitioners.

I'm intrigued by this "subtle energy" you speak of. Please elaborate!!!See: seminal motion (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=179).

I believe that this can be only natural...In a matter of fact, sciences were all referred to philosophy, like for example physics was natural philosophy and ..etcScience, Theology, and Philosophy must again become one. See: Conceptualism (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=156).

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMV

1:53 PM 29/12/2005

Science has no blind faith, not unlike you ......

Theology has Blind Faith, it works towards that.

Philosophy joins the two, as a bridge, which is, clearly, metaphysical, in it's very nature ....or you can DENY that, and thereby, Prove it true!

[Epsilon=One]

Philosophy joins the two, as a bridge, which is, clearly, metaphysical, in it's very nature ....or you can DENY that, and thereby, Prove it true!If Science, Theology (something that is apart from religion), and Philosophy (STP) are one, which is the thesis of Conceptualism (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=156), then, none can contain more than a minuscule of the metaphysical.

It is an unwarranted belief in the metaphysical that generally underlies all evil, which is defined as that which is self-inflicted harm.

STP must adhere to IPSO (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=142).

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

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If Science, Theology (something that is apart from religion), and Philosophy (STP) are one, which is the thesis of Conceptualism (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=156), then, none can contain more than a minuscule of the metaphysical.
Only the Philosophical is the Liar, hence the metaphysical prover

(Oh! Yes, theology has the same requisite of 'Blind Faith' as any given religion inasmuch as it must assume God as "true" .....without proving)

It is an unwarranted belief in the metaphysical that generally underlies all evil, which is defined as that which is self-inflicted harm.
Given that it is the lie that proves the metaphysicals presence

........and that you seem to think that harming 'others' is not an evil...... :eek: :eek:

[Epsilon=One]

(Oh! Yes, theology has the same requisite of 'Blind Faith' as any given religion inasmuch as it must assume God as "true" .....without proving)There is no question that there is a god. No atheist has ever proved otherwise. The proof is evident in all that has been created. Ipso facto.

The problem is to define god, which no religion has successfully accomplished.

See: "Proof of God" (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=150)

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

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Sorry but no proof according to the Rules of Experimentally "Proven & tested" Science, No God there.

[Epsilon=One]

Sorry but no proof according to the Rules of Experimentally "Proven & tested" Science, No God there.Obviously, the problem must be with your definition of god. Otherwise, simple logic would solve your problem.

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMV

Obviously, the problem must be with your definition of god.
O.K. Then We will use yours! there is NO ANTROPIC GOD!

(Nuff said? You Remember >yourself<?)

Otherwise, simple logic would solve your problem.
Hmmm...?...?..... as (I) just demonstrated? is that what you mean?