philosophy is founding mathematics. Agreed?

[ed van der meulen]

How can math found itself? What are the references.

I think philosophy is founding mathematics. Is nature not contingent? Is indeterminism not ruling. Don't we have nice surprises and bad accidents.

Is shifting not everywhere in nature. Like the clouds. Our feet over the floor. Our food in our mouth. Or do we see there mathematical formulae.

You could google for - shifting everywhere

I am busy with the lambda calculus as well. That is deductive mathematics.

I am a pure mathematician. Meaning that I have learned math is for playing. That we have always to abstract nature and don't know what we have lost of details. That I have learned. And you?

What about this link. It concerns indeterminism and contingence. Mayye you don't dare to look when you are a mathematician. But be glad not only math is in turmoil also the sciences are that.

http://nnw.berlios.de/docs.php/nnw-np-003/noflash


Yes I am a pure mathematician as well, But many of my colleagues won't agree with me. Why not?


I am fond of philosophy and the sciences. And who of us is stupid?

Have a nice day

ed van der meulen

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMV

I would agree to the Premise that math is founded by philosophy...

As For "who is Stupid" well I have acted that way, once, or twice(?) in my life, so it seems the recognazance of that helps to spare me the repetition of it.

The idea of the asychronous Atom reveals why all "shifts" as you so politely put it, why no two experiments can ever be repeated exactly the same way, ever, space/time/motion precludes any duality/dualities of any, and all, nature, in event time histories, ergo no exact repetitions.

To me, math is another language tool for describing, and the 'fun' is in some of the knowning of it's other uses, too.

Nice to meet you, sorta.... :cool:

[ed van der meulen]

Hi, also awake?

But I thing many mathematicain won't agree with it and alas I am a pure mathematician. So bad.

Foudatians in mathematics itr self. Can you lift yourself. Found yourself. I have tried it but I got difficulties. People said to me I have parents as well. And I looked around. And it was true.

And another bad thing. All leaves also from all previous tress and bushes, when we look precise. All are different. Also a so bad thing. Why?

Let's have a nice drink. It's freezing here, old Europe,

ed van der meulen

[ed van der meulen]

About global warming and other human disasters, like wars, I can only tell you.

I do my best.

Thank you for this great conversation.

ed

[Universe]

;) Hello, i am new here and just wanted to introduce myself. Since i did not see any introduction threads, i just posted it here. My users name is Universe, my real name Diana. I enjoy discussing anything that is science related ( especially astronomy) and hope to have the opportunity to engage in some interesting discussions here. I can see there is not many members on this forum, has it been around long, or is it new??



Universe.........

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

;) Hello, i am new here and just wanted to introduce myself. Since i did not see any introduction threads, i just posted it here. My users name is Universe, my real name Diana. I enjoy discussing anything that is science related ( especially astronomy) and hope to have the opportunity to engage in some interesting discussions here. I can see there is not many members on this forum, has it been around long, or is it new?? Universe.........

HI! here (http://physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=2) is the thread that is sorta introductory...as for your last sentance, well you can read my signature perhaps that will explain somewhat :D :D

Actually it is Fantastic that you have come here and 'we' would welcome all that are willing to give it a try.

Just be careful as 'we' are a Powerful Bunch and are known to be able to disuade even the Staunchest of posters if they aren't willing to read read read all of what the few, who are here, are volumiously able to produce :D :p (Pardon my sense of humor) :eek: :cool: :rolleyes:

Nice of you to join us all, hope to see some/read of your writing soon enough.

But tell me, do you like Philosophy?.....did you answer the poll on this thread?

(should we start a new thread for "general conversations" I would like to see that one myself)

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Hi, also awake? But I thing many mathematicain won't agree with it and alas I am a pure mathematician. So bad.
Foudatians in mathematics itr self. Can you lift yourself. Found yourself. I have tried it but I got difficulties. People said to me I have parents as well. And I looked around. And it was true.
And another bad thing. All leaves also from all previous tress and bushes, when we look precise. All are different. Also a so bad thing. Why?
Let's have a nice drink. It's freezing here, old Europe,
ed van der meulen
Yes I am awake, but I am also what would generally be considered a Layman (work/working History) so you, apparently, don't think I have much to offer, as you put that in another thread....

(No I was NOT insulted by it)

Anyways, hope it warms enough for you, a drink would be nice, but it is a little far to go, just now.

As for the differences in everything, well, asynchronos Atoms.

[Epsilon=One]

How can math found itself? What are the references.

I think philosophy is founding mathematics. Is nature not contingent? Is indeterminism not ruling. Don't we have nice surprises and bad accidents.The source of mathematics is Nature; it is no accident that mathematics is used to describe Nature.

Philosophic logic's source is mathematics.

Thus, I would contend that philosophy and mathematics, as well as indeterminism, are all founded in Nature.

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons :cool: Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI


Please take note: the "YUTZ" Immediately above is on My "Ignore list" so if anything is being stated in reference to me or any of my previous postings, (I) have "not a clue" (can not see it, other then, it lists his name as "there"/{here} ) and (I) DO NOT WANT TO RESPOND OR ENCOURAGE TO SUCH AN ARROGANT INVASIONARY HIDDEN PEACOCK

(Watch out for his FALSE information too)

[Epsilon=One]

Please take note: the "YUTZ" Immediately above is on My "Ignore list" so if anything is being stated in reference to me or any of my previous postings, (I) have "not a clue" (can not see it, other then, it lists his name as "there"/{here} ) and (I) DO NOT WANT TO RESPOND OR ENCOURAGE TO SUCH AN ARROGANT INVASIONARY HIDDEN PEACOCKI believe that I would rather be a “PEACOCK” than an ostrich with its head in the sand.

Hopefully, your above statement can be construed as meaning you no longer will waste my time with your distortions.

Your continuing behavior is beyond the norm for civilized dialogue. Though you don’t seem to understand the Renaissance spirit of this forum, I hope you appreciate that spirit; as nowhere else would such personal, off-topic attacks and diatribe be tolerated.

(Watch out for his FALSE information too)Ad hominem argument is weak; if you are going to make spurious charges, you should be able to back them up. Exactly what statement of mine that I have made concerning physics, math, or philosophy do you find “FALSE”? If such is the case, I would very much like to correct it.

[HallsofIvy]

You are both on my "take with a grain of salt list"! Sometimes I think Epsilon=One has a wicked sense of humor and says things just to confuse people. I'm not at all sure how to take what Mr. Robin Parsons says!

[Epsilon=One]

..."take with a grain of salt list"! Sometimes I think Epsilon=One has a wicked sense of humor and says things just to confuse people.Possibly, not all that devious.

Glad someone with at least a bit of, and likely much more, common sense is paying attention. Diogenes would be pleased.

How's: An attempt to require some thought beyond rote chatechetical responses; and, to provoke probing questions.

[Vulcan Princess]

Em . .. about this poll, I agree, I think that all things have a philosophical foundation, for instance, math, (since it is what we are discussing anyway, philosophy and math) Math is made up of numbers, which are abstract symbols that represent a certain quantity.

There are what are called irrational, trascendent numbers like pi, e, Euhler's constant and so forth, those quantities are partial, they aren't whole numbers, so what use are they other than philosophical value?

[OfficeShredder]

What uses are they?

Well, pi is only responsible for everything we know about construction, electricity, etc. Without being able to calculate it (and yes, we can get VERY good approximations), we'd be screwed in the technology department.

What do you mean the values are partial?

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

You are both on my "take with a grain of salt list"! Sometimes I think Epsilon=One has a wicked sense of humor and says things just to confuse people. I'm not at all sure how to take what Mr. Robin Parsons says!
© Mr. Robin Parsons :cool: Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI

With a grain of salt (I) would suppose, (Some of this is humor after all) but (I) think it rather sad that you have so mis-read EP1.....He Means it.

(as in, He is not trying to confuse anyone!)

[Epsilon=One]

...I think that all things have a philosophical foundation, for instance, math, (since it is what we are discussing anyway, philosophy and math) Math is made up of numbers, which are abstract symbols that represent a certain quantity.I strongly disagree. "All things have a" Natural foundation . . . including philosophy and consciousness.

"Math"'s foundation is the Natural numbers that are generated as multiples of a constant, the Conceptual Unit (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/CU), and the geometric manipulations of that "unit" as it evolves as the basic quanta of existence, which emerges and dissipates as heuristically demonstrated by the Pulsoid of Pulsoid Theory (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/PTis).

There are what are called irrational, trascendent numbers like pi, e, Euhler's constant and so forth, those quantities are partial, they aren't whole numbers, so what use are they other than philosophical value?Numbers that are not Natural integers are symbolic portions of curves (that are all derived from elliptical or sinusoidal motions) and/or space that are described with divisions; or like pi associated with concepts of infinity. (The circle is a special ellipse with its foci congruent at the infinitesimal.)