existance based judgement and values

[your_fellow_human]

ive been posting and reading at science forums, forums full of musical artists,
now im here.
its been a long journey, and im afraid and i want to puke emotionaly...
so have a bit of mercy and patience when you read this.

its an un-edited and not even proof read thing i wrote,
which is about a way of thinking,
and i hope i put this in the right area.

here it goes:

[your_fellow_human]

Boarder line, the next step in existance!:

it can be called a philosophy, in the same sence that anything civilization and culture made you believe,
also was like a philosophy or way of thinking...

what is the root of our choices?
step one, fealing,
step two, body based reaction,
step three, a logical based choice... weighing out the consiquences and motives for each choice,
step four, action,

step1 is in my mind, purely genetic.
this can only currently be controled by selective breeding,
which i have not seen being done in humans, though the outcome would be more controled then random breeding,
therefor could be better or worse, and people would want it to be better.

step2 has to do with pleasure and pain type concepts.
these were either meant to help our own bodies, or our collective species.
examples : you want to eat, have sex, grow, use your abilities.

step3 is what im currently calling "the next step in existance".
it is the art of baseing your desitions on your existance instead of your pleasure or your pain.
you must use step to, then ignore it...
this (if absolutely possable) would destroy temptation, imbalance and error of almost any kind (in theory).
problems such as addiction, greed, and passive irrisponsable actions would not be possable
if this way of choosing your actions was absolutely applied.

a pleasure based judgement is less acurate then an existance based judgement,
yet each was meant to help you keep living!

existance based values put a focus on health of your mind and body and spirit,
and the health of the others around you, far above stimulation emotionaly speeking.

it is not abound hoarding, mass production, or imperialism. it is besides all of these,
so having alot of sex partners, being finantialy greedy, or forcing others to be assiliated by your mind set,
each would be besides the point of a simple and (willed to be yet not currently) eternal existance.

because of conformism and emotional extreams are not part of this form of existance,
it would not cause wars or crazed groups to exist.
the emotionaly desired status, would be basicly peace.

step4 is ofcourse methodology. if it were math, it would be a multiple.
invention and efficiency are already being created and enjoyed by humanity,
and these are relative to human will, so no need to cover this^


id perviously thought that efficiency was the best thing for humanity to focus on,
to focus on step4...
but now i must say, step4 is very curruptable if step3 is,
therefor step3 must be advanced or refined before step4 should be refined or advanced.

i will now make the vast claim, that emotions are besides the point of what i would call truth.
with this in mind, dont expect gradification from the truth about philosophy or God or
anything that is not realy part of human need or desire...
expect a complete and functional explanation based on supportive facts, to be part of a finaly understood truth.

still, one thing that bothers me about the general mass of philosophers,
is that i think they tend to state things flat out, and not say it was all just a thoery.

what i want is not a endo-based philosophy, but an externaly based philosophy.
so instead of focusing on satisfying somthing within your mind or heart,
with somthing within your mind or heart,
you first take in alot of factual data.

remember to draw the line between facts and philosophies,
one is absolutey existant independant of you, one is optional and created within you for many reasons.
^
and with that statement, use fact and not opinion based data to attack or support my code.

i personaly say that it is an optional code of personal values that is un-natural.
yup, hardly anyone thinks like this^ and look at the fule behind this compared to a pleasure or pain based judgement.
but also remember that by nature, if we set aside our un-natural ways, we would die.
in a sence, human progress is un-natural, because animals dont advance the way we do,
so i will say without regret:
nature is a fool, and mad the genious,
yet the genious was created by and is almost pure fool...
we are organic life forms of earth...

when i say "natural", im talking about what we are physicaly, not mentaly.
anything ever to exist could easily be called natural in a sence, because its part of the system that we live in,
but the kind of natural i am talking about, is a logicaly blinded and animal like existance...

ive personaly on many ocations been overpoweringly blinded by temptations or extream emotions,
which then destroyed my better judgement and error was my reward.
So then emotion itself, id guess would me a key factor in human curruptability.
But out current system of living in every way, did not have to be the way that it is,
and their could have been a better way, but we cant change that now can we?
So ok, weakness and imbalance are an un-avoidable part of being an organic life form,
due to system weak points of our organic way of living.

Now im thinking that an existance based judgement system,
would help limit the threat levels of emotional imbalance, and put a focus on the preservation of
individual lives, rather then individual desires, because im guessing thats a more long-term and less
curruptable way of thinking.

^
so far its been hard or impossable for me to be this way at times,
yet its my current general state of thinking. because of it, i want people to live instead of conform to what i want,
and i want them to keep on living, which may involve adopting my valuse system someday...
secondly, because of it, i dont want to be exited or pleasured... because that is besides the absolute point of
what is healthy and what is not. insatead i want to try with all of my power, to preserve my own
life as long as possable, so i am less inclined to unhealthy habbits, and less likely to ever hurt anybody.

if you have some sort of reason to say thats a bad thing^
then i ignore you, because in a sence, revileing life in some way by extreamism or preditory or parasitic
ways, is hypicritical, because you to are alive and want to live.
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hence the hypocracy of the will to live vs the dna to die, so i am for the will to live,
and in a sence, wanting to but un able to defeat this factor of my dna, and my natural self.

it is natural for mammals to live, and die.

i will say that nature is a hypocrit for that, and as an individual who is still alive,
will consider part of nature my enemy.
so nature is both our perents and our executioner... it obviously is not a united and meaningful logic,
and an existance based values system would apear to be so.


What scares me is that this type of thinking... may be impossable for me,
yet i do think it and what hurst most is when people around me wont listen to me or cair about it.

what i believe is that meaning is optional, and besides the point that you are alive...
meanings in life can change with time, but i dont want to serve a meaning more then preserve my life.

[your_fellow_human]

also, before you place a value on what ive siad above,
read the first post in this thread about the way the things around you control your personal values,
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3470
so that maybe youll be more aware of what im trying to feal... somthing above apeal itself.

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