Question regarding photons in SR

[Bos]

Hey,
Hopefully someone can help me here as I've asked a bunch of people this question and gotten incomplete responses. It is true that two objects moving side by side at a constant velocity will perceive each other to be static. It is also true that the speed of light is constant in all frames of reference. My quetion is that if two photons are traveling side by side, obviously at speed c, then do they perceive each other to be static? If so, then how is this possible if light is constant in ANY frame of reference? If not so, then why is it that if I'm going at .9c I will perceive light to evade me at speed c, yet when I move into speed c (a photon), it suddenly snaps to zero speed? What am I missing here? Hopefully this makes sense. thanks

[Epsilon=One]

It is true that two objects moving side by side at a constant velocity will perceive each other to be static.The argument is subtle. However, the likeliness of two objects moving "side by side" is infinitely remote. The likliness that these objects will "perceive" is ludicrous.

It is also true that the speed of light is constant in all frames of reference.The SOL cannot be so! Other, than possibly in the minds of theoretical physicists and their acolytes.

My quetion is that if two photons are traveling side by side, obviously at speed c, then do they perceive each other to be static?See above responses.

If so, then how is this possible if light is constant in ANY frame of reference? If not so, then why is it that if I'm going at .9c I will perceive light to evade me at speed c, yet when I move into speed c (a photon), it suddenly snaps to zero speed? What am I missing here? Hopefully this makes sense.You're missing little; unless, of course, if you worship at the alter of the standard models.

Keep asking questions.

[Bos]

Right but isn't saying that photons simply "can't perceive" sort of an easy way out? What if, even though I know very well that it's impossible, we were in the photons frame of reference. How is it that we could travel side by side, but still perceive each other to be moving at c?!! I know this seems redundant but it really doesn't make sense to me and I'd really just like some kind of an answer that doesn't leave me still wondering "Why?"

[Bos]

I'm pretty sure you guys have a much better understanding of SR and GR than I do, particularly in the mathematics portion of it. But why is it that no one can answer this question without giving an answer that is meaningless. I know humans cant go light speed but why can't we imagine ourselves in that frame of reference, as it is as just as legitimate as any other. Therefore, what is actually being perceived in the POV of a photon? I'm really not trying to be defensive but I just wish that someone could put this issue to rest, as it is killing me! Also, please try to answer in laymens terms, because any insane equations are going to do me no good. thanks again

[OfficeShredder]

From the photon's point of view, because at the speed of light relative distance is zero in the direction being travelled, any other photon travelling in the same direction with it is, from its point of view, simply lined up with it not moving, because there isn't anywhere to move

[Bos]

exactly! So why is it that at 99.9999999.... percent c I will perceive light to evade me at light speed, yet as soon as you move into c (a photon), this perception suddenly snaps to zero? Shouldn't it gradually change towards zero? Possibly from 99.999... percent c all the way to c it gradually drops to zero? I just can't see it suddenly snapping right to zero, shouldn't it be a gradual change, even if it is only for a small fraction c? If so, wouldn't that mean that light is indeed constant in all frames of reference, EXCEPT for the miniscule fraction between 99.999...percent c and c?

I appreciate your reply, thanks.

[Epsilon=One]

exactly! So why is it that at 99.9999999.... percent c I will perceive light to evade me at light speed, yet as soon as you move into c (a photon), this perception suddenly snaps to zero? Shouldn't it gradually change towards zero? Possibly from 99.999... percent c all the way to c it gradually drops to zero? I just can't see it suddenly snapping right to zero, shouldn't it be a gradual change, even if it is only for a small fraction c? If so, wouldn't that mean that light is indeed constant in all frames of reference, EXCEPT for the miniscule fraction between 99.999...percent c and c?Well, yes and no. Yes, you are basically correct in your reasoning, until the "No" part: Light's speed is not "indeed constant." The SOL is either constant or it is not.

Actually, the SOL has an acceleration (deceleration is better) equal to a Conceptual Unit (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/CU) of fundamental, intrinsic time (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/Time) (FIT) per Pulse, which for all practicality, is unobservable/detectable at the human speed scale. This deceleration of light is often confused as time dilation. I would think that if time were not constant there would be as many problems as there are with light being constant. Not the least of which would be: What contains the Universe?

Logic, as you have noted, insists that anything that can change direction while being reflected back upon itself must momentarily stop and regain its speed. The mechanics for how light works is slightly involved but not overly complex; in fact, rather simple if you have not been otherwise impressed.

If anything like SR's concept of light were actually occuring, there would be endless dichotomies, enigmas and paradoxes; extending to all areas of physics; to perplex the pomo theoretical physicists.

Imagine, there are those that offer and live by theories concerning the speed of light who cannot even define time!

It will take a bit of time to coax an understanding of light's decelerating speed from Pulsoid Theory (http://CQthus.com/PT/PTis); however, you might start with the internal geometry of a light wave (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/lightg). And, then ask a lot of specific questions.

[Bos]

thanks, much more questions to come!